More on Charles Perrys effort to force Cynthia Ortiz against her will to lie for him. She’s not going to and that ship sailed long ago as this person points out.
Another police recording:
“She’s got out there over and over again that he wanted to take her car or damage it. He wanted to arrange another false arrest. He wanted to kill her or kidnap her and that goes back before her first arrest and she’s got out there that he’s calling her friends and family, won’t let them talk to her without his permission and he has to tell them what they can and can’t say. He’s got them giving him information about her car and where she lives. He’s threatened them too. He’s calling people she works with so she can’t make money then he sends his guy to loan her money or bribe her or whatever you want to call it and then with holds it when she filed that Motion to Intervene for Mike. She wouldn’t do what they wanted so he pulls his guy back and make sure nobody does business with her. He was trying to get her kicked out of her home. He was trying to force her out of Oklahoma. He was trying to make her desolate and desperate so she’d live in his house and drive his car and everyone knows that would last about a week or two while he tortured her and got his thrills from that then he’d kill her himself. He’d make her lie then he’d kill her himself and there was some speculation he might be a necro. So we got all that stuff out, three law suits, not one trial on merit, we got fraud and we got him really going into her wallet every single time she goes for an appeal. We got all that documented going way back and all those dates and times that are before where someone tells on him and it gets to those cops and they tell her and its on McNamara email after another after another then you got Lucky Miller’s murder and Mike Nealey with not a mark on him and he’s treated not for being beat up and knocked out but for drug over dose which she knew about that too before depositions were taken. Charles is such a nut he and Dave Roberson both keep thinking they get caught, they wait until the dust settles and go at it again and what that does is she finds out every single time then she’s got more evidence to show intent and premeditation. If and when they do what she says they were supposedly recorded doing then there is your crime. That is your crime because its not a crime just talking about it. Talking about it is premediation. Doing it makes it premeditated crime. She’s being coerced. She’s being threatened. She’s being harrassed. Then the other thing is that when she came back they agreed with her anyways, to not contact her again ever. He comes up here tells everyone he’s gotten engaged. He’s going to get her knock her out and get her pregnant and be Dennis’ step dad and at that point, my guys were saying, “This guy is one of those freaks that has women locked in a basement somewhere. He’s a werido deluxe. She is not going to get pregnant and he’s married coming up here telling people he’s gonna be Dennis’ step dad? Who the hell does that? She wouldn’t even talk to him much less get engaged. She won’t give him the time of day. This guy is psychopath and Matt Powell is too. They all are. This is weirdo crap.” I got guys very uncomfortable just like she says. I got guys that get the creeps around these people too and they are men. So this deal is jacked up and everyone knows it and everytime they do what she says they were recorded doing they give her a little more credibility and a little more and a little more and you got one big mess here. He should have done what they all agreed to do and leave her alone. I don’t know how you clean all that up now because she’s got this going back years. She’s got them asking about where she keeps her title, her car registration and all that her tags and all that so what is it they think they are going to do? They take her car, well she’s been saying. They get her kicked out, well she’s been saying. They do this second false arrest or kidnap her or kill her or force her to lie making her destitute and broke, well she’s been saying. So what do they think they are going to prove? They don’t even know. They don’t even know. They think wait until the dust settles and it settles, they start talking about it again, they get recorded or whatever and it goes to those cops, to Cynthia and its to her attorneys then its out everywhere. We don’t know who all tells or how all that works but she gets more credibility every time they screw with her. Waiting until the dust settles and trying again, well what good does that do. She can still say ‘Well, but we told you so.'” Then you got Mike Nealey over there in jail now for well over a year and everyone can see aint no way he committed that murder. You got people dying and people pissed off and what next? Know what I’m saying? What next? The guy is pyschopath and psychopaths can’t think right so everything is all jacked up. I mean I’ve not seen anything in my life be this jacked up. She said that. You listen to a guy who is delusional and can’t tell the difference between fact and fiction and he comes up with some plan that if we do this she will do that then we got her. But she never does what they think she will or they get caught and its another notch in her belt of “they got caught trying to hurt me in a criminal manner again”. See? Its building up against him. He can’t think that through. It falls apart everytime because Charles Perry isn’t smart and he is being outthought by people who are and he’s not able to figure out how she thinks to deal with her. You can’t deal with her by thinking like you wish she thinks. You deal with her like she really thinks and that guy can’t. He cannot figure her out. He misestimates every time. Is that a word? I’m making it a word. Okay? That’s all I’m saying. She’s being proven right at this point because he’s done it so much and gotten caught so much that she’s got so many of these emails or its out somewhere and everyone already knows what he was trying to do that when he does it, its just more evidence that he’s doing what she says. He’s a stalker. He’s worse than that but for right now, we’ll call him that. “
More: “He did hack her and he does see who she applies to for a job because she quit dancing. Then he calls them and tells them not to give her work. Its not like she’s not trying. Its probably very frustrating for her and that’s stealing. Right there that’s stealing. He kept saying ‘I take her car, get her kicked out, make it where she can’t get a job, she will call me and then do what I tell her to do. She’ll have no choice but to stop all this nonsense.’ What nonsense is that? She wants him to leave her alone? That’s not nonsense. The nonsense is on him. He is the nonsense. You don’t do this to people. No doubt Lucky was getting on to them about what they were doing to her and he didn’t like that. That’s why they killed him and I’m reluctant to just say they killed him, but I can’t come to any other conclusion when you look at it. They looked at her evidence. They knew he was taking her money and they sent Terry in to give her some but she never did what they thought she would because those cops told her not to. They told her he was letting Charles put cameras in that room and mess with her car and she didn’t even get all the stuff they did to her car in with that Motion to Intervene. They did a whole lot more to her car than she even put in that Motion. A whole lot more. So Lucky was starting to figure out she was not a consenting party because that’s how he did that. He led everyone over there to believe she consented and once Lucky started figuring out she didn’t, that’s when the shit hit the fan. I mean it hit in a big way. Perry thinks he can starve that girl into submission and she’ll call and he’ll make her lie. She has too much out there. Nobody would believe its anything but exactly what she says. He’s making her say or do something against her will and that is coercion. That is exactly what she says it is. If you aren’t suspicious by the fact that they have not once allowed a trial on merit now three times where Perry could have gone into Court and proven his case, then I don’t know what could be wrong with you. She’s got those texts from Terry showing he was a customer until appeals. Then nothing. Then right when his wife is dying, or when she starts talking about Motions to Vacate here he comes again. Night his wife died she’s got a text from him wanting to go in that strip club to see her. You know then now she files that Motion to Intervene and he bails and you don’t think that’s pretty good indication, and he works roads like Dave. He’s Dave Roberson’s guy. That’s one of his boys. You don’t think that’s a good indication they intended that to be an inducement not to file it and once she did they pull him back. He doesn’t have that kind of money and I think he’s told her that. I think he let that slip. I don’t know. I thought I saw something somewhere where she said he’d let it slip that he doesn’t have that kind of money so where did he get it if not from Dave Roberson and Charles Perry? Give to her so she lies and when she won’t, they pull him out. That’s a crime man. That’s tampering. She’s not going to call him. She’s not going to lie for him and at this point there is so much out there that even if she did they’d all know he forced her by starvation to do that. He’s seeing online where she applies and who all she’s working with or trying to and he’s calling those people and telling them not to do business with her same as he had guys sitting outside that club running off customers. Its not different. They got all kinds of things they were wanting to get out of her but he ran off all her customers and wanted to do a raid on that club then she quit. Now they got all this just from hacking her. He’s stealing so he can control her finances and make that force her into something against her will. That is motive for murder and it was when it was Lucky’s juridiction and it is now. He’s caught. She’s proving credible the more of this he does to her and had they all just left her alone, they wouldn’t be in this situation now. I don’t know why they can’t get that. ”
The evidence that Charles Perry was coming up here and making people think we had a relationship or some engagement or whatever is in what Pinto said and they made sure I made no money that night either then Pinto comes up offering $5,000 for me to sleep with Charles, which I rejected, but they thought since they made sure I made no money that night, I’d be desperate enough to take it. There is evidence this is true. Perry did come up here and make it sound like we had a thing and there is no thing. He’s a delusional stalker is all that is. Imagine how creepy it is for me for some weirdo to just come up here and tell everyone we have a romance when no such thing exists. Its just not real. You don’t go through all the effort I’ve gone through to get away from him and then beat him off with a legal stick and be in a romance. You have a romance you go out on a date willingly, not because you’ve been kidnapped. “
“The people in Lubbock can’t see what they do in Oklahoma. You have five Defendants. Charles Perry, Joe Chadwick, David Roberson, Joshua Burson and Matthew Powell. They can’t say Dave didn’t call his work buddy, tell him “meet me somewhere. I know she needs money because we hacked her and see what’s in her bank and we have cameras in her house and see what she’s got in her wallet and we ran off all her customers. Give her $300, here it is”, (hands it to him) ask her if she needs furniture because they got cameras in her house and know she does. She says “Oh yes thank you for your kindness.” Takes the furniture and he brings it over and gives Dave her address but she knew and didn’t take the bait. How many times has that happened and people in Lubbock have no idea what they do here. Charles knows because he talks to all five. He talks to the other four and he is the fifth, but they all may not, I mean nobody knows when Matt is in that mix, if it’s all the time or sometimes or how often he’s told what they do. I think he knows more often than not but I don’t think he always knows. Charles lies so he may lie to him sometimes about what they are really doing to her but there cannot be provocation or entrapment or twisting of her intent or anyone else’s for that matter. They cannot do things to her that cause then claim they are being harassed when they get caught and it’s out everywhere because when she points out that it defeats the purpose of establishing intent to wait until they do it to say something she’s right. She’s got an email establishing that before they do it. That makes all the difference in the world. She’s not make up excuses after the fact. Therefore it’s very important to her case and these guys that she gets to it before. The second she knows. She’s done that and it has built up over now five to six years.
They have a guy who had no background in politics meet this chick who grew up in it, her granddad is Police Chief where she grew up and now it’s come out that she was around his friends two of whom were Magistrate Judges and this is from the time she’s born. Her family clearly had some power in Roswell in the Granddad was the Police Chief a d then Country Treasurer and then City Council and instrumental in the museums over there. She grew up in that then as an adult is active in politics and worked with Federal people in government reform. You have her roll into town infactuated this nobody small town accountant, she comes in from.Vegas mind you, he can’t take no fir an answer when she refuses his romantic advances, says she does not wish to ruin her career with an affair, he then begins to ruin it anyways. He’s bad mouthing her all over town. He’s trying to poison her. He’s got her parents taking her kid away. He’s messing with her car there to and she’s had enough and leaves town. The way he’s kept something going on between them in his imagination is watching her in her house, selling her on the dark web and talking to her friends and family to control her interactions with other people. These are people he shouldn’t know. He’s keeping a thing with her in his head by talking to people close to her. But he won’t allow them to tell her that but some of them are telling someone they are sick and tired of being told when they can and cannot talk to her and what they can say and know that is abuse. That is an indicator of abuse. It’s typical in domestic violence cases and stalking is domestic violence. He’s trying to control a woman that won’t have a thing to do with him. He’s maintaining this imaginary affair by talking to her friends and family and watching her on her computer and in her house voyeuristically. So then you gotta know he’s capable of some sick twisted things here. You got all that he can’t explain. He’s not thinking through that if something happens to her just like we saw with Nicole Brown Simpson she did report problems to police. Police all knew they had abuse issues and she did tell everyone he would kill her and now here she turns up murdered. Same thing. You got all this crap coming out over a long period of time where everyone knows he’s whacked and if something happens to her, he is the culprit. We can’t have people say “Well he finally killed her. She kept saying he would. He finally did. He just made it look unrelated. We all know it’s related because he’s been going at it for almost a decade. That’s what they dont think through. Like the Court, you won’t let her in the Courtroom to do anything. You have all these attorneys and she’s by herself and hasn’t even been to law school. What are you afraid of so much so that you have backroom deals and the transcripts are none and there are no trial on merit anywhere. They didn’t think anyone would catch it? Everyone caught it. You can’t miss it. Something wrong there. She goes broke right when it’s appeal time and then when she’s gonna file a Motion To Vacate because now they’ve done even more to her she can sue for, while Roberson’s buddy’s wife is dying and in fact on the night she dies, they send him back in to give her money thinking that would flip her. She said you took $10000 and you think $200 would fix that? I’m supposed to be grateful? You are shitting me with this right? Can’t disagree.” I cannot disagree. Had he not taken her money she wouldn’t need to ask for help of to take Roberson’s buddy’s money. He gave her the run around and she brought that out that when she won’t lie they make him give her the run around. He gives her the run around not based on his life but based in her actions like filing that Motion to Intervene, appeals and so forth. His wife died and if there was a time for him to give her the run around it would be then. He didn’t. He’s texting her wanting to see her at work that very night. She doesn’t work the he texted. But the fact is he texted that night. Wife dues of cancer there is no run around. There is when appeals Are due. What does that tell you? ”
More “They were trying to get her drunk enough to open up and spill it but Cynthia barely drinks. Once in awhile she will drink a little bit not enough to do anything. They can’t get anything out of her. ”
Click Below To See Documents Going Back Years Supporting Claims Made Herein
Click here to see Perry’s efforts to impede Appeals It’s common knowledge in Oklahoma that he does everything he can to impede appeals every single time there is one. It’s common knowledge. There is a reason he does that.
As always use allegedly where it applies.
We never confirm or deny reports, but if there were not some actionable intel included it would not be made public. The intent is to establish pre-meditation and intent in Charles Perrys part or his co-defendants, one or more of them but not always all, intent to commit a crime against Cynthia Ortiz.
We are told by police “He’s threatening your friends and family and quite a few are sick and tired of him telling them when he can talk to you and what they are allowed to say. ”
He just keeps doing everything we say he is doing.